What to do when you stop enjoying the dance?

Discussion in 'Just Dance' started by simbaaa, May 8, 2017.

  1. simbaaa

    simbaaa Changui

    To be honest, I have posted the first songs that popped in mind that I particularly like listening to, and that I never got bored of since my rather recent salsa discovery. Looking further in favorites playlist, I find tracks like

    I also really like la Maxima 79, but it doesn't quite qualify as it does actually get played occasionally and I would often have best dances to their songs.

    I am surprised to hear that the music I like is not entirely suitable for linear salsa. I never thought of this that way, that the music should define the style of the dance. I wonder what should I do if I really like Cuban timba but I much prefer cross body salsa. I have to make it work somehow.

    By the way, thank you everybody for your thorough replies and experiences, I need to reflect on this for a bit longer before I can formulate a reply
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  2. elanimal

    elanimal Tumbao

    1. Timba is generally associated with Cuban, non-slot salsa. If you go to a congress, unless explicitly dedicated to this, you won't hear timba. I am not saying that's good or bad, I like many timba songs, but that is simply the reality.

    2. Expressing musicality in partnerwork is very, very difficult, because it requires vast knowledge of both dance and the music. Can you tell me of a lead you like, and share videos of him social dancing? A lead you consider musical? I did this in a post a while back, with a guy called Terry. Here is a link to a thread that's very very similar to this one, and I'll re-post my comment on partnerwork musicality here:

    Basically, for partnerwork musicality, you have to take ownership of the patterns and things you want to learn, based on how they will be reflected in common musical motifs. Going to endless pattern classes is a crapshoot and you don't know if they will teach you what you want to reflect in the music with your partnerwork. Then it requires deliberate practice to be able pick out what you want and try it out with a partner, preferably in a practice environment and not on the social dance floor.

    3. Sometimes, going to a congress revives all my salsa juices. I can't help but be inspired by the performers, workshops, social dancing.

    4. You don't have to do anything, but I strongly recommend you try to adopt the mindset that even if you are dancing with a beginner, you still have another goal to shoot for. And that is, to give them the best dance possible, and to have your lead be so, so, so crispy and clear, that you are getting her to do things she has never done, and that no guys around you would be able to. That is a very worthy goal and should always be present. As has been discussed in other threads - if you have extensive salsa training, but find it difficult to adapt to a beginner, or a girl from Latin America who is accustomed to a slightly different style but still keeps timing... then your training has not been as as applicable as it should have been.
  3. DJ Yuca

    DJ Yuca El Sabroso de Conguero

    You've dedicated yourself to dancing salsa, yet you look down on real salsa music and those who like it. What makes you any better (or even any different) to the people you describe below?

    As if you know what music I like.

    So 2 things you detest are:
    1. real salsa and mambo music at salsa nights (better that salsa nights just play r&b salsa and non-salsa)
    2. people who decide that a type of music is 'wrong'
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  4. DJ Yuca

    DJ Yuca El Sabroso de Conguero

    To clarify:

    In moderation I would say the likes of 1 or 2 at a slot style night could be a good idea (particularly no. 2). It depends on how hardcore the dancers are in their music tastes. At a mixed type event: either or both would be fine.

    No.s 3 and 6 would be best served at a Latin night (personally I can't even get to the end of either) as I think a lot of salseros would find them a real turn off. Also the rhythm doesn't even seem good for dancing to. (Otoh if they were played at a night that also had lots of good music and some hot latinas / non-Latin ladies really enjoyed such tunes, I expect I would see the light to a certain extent.)

    No. 4 to my thinking isn't good timba, so regardless of whether the night plays a few timbas or loads of timbas, they might as well be of a decent quality.

    I know people who love no. 5 but I don't believe it has any place at any type of Latin music event.

    As re. the OP:

    Learning to appreciate classic salsa (which you've already started to do) will help you with the above objectives. Changing the nights you go to could possibly help too.
    Last edited: May 11, 2017
  5. DJ Yuca

    DJ Yuca El Sabroso de Conguero

    1. Nice mambo - this music is perfect for on 2. (I'd be interested to know if MrR considers this to be elevator music).
    2. Absolute classic and also perfect for on 2 (or any other count and any style of salsa dance).
    3. I can't recall having heard it before. It sounds pleasant enough, but I can't hear much in the way of Afro Cuban percussion so it doesn't strike me as good music for salsa dancing.
    La Máxima 79: great band. Perfect for slot style salsa dance.

    Surely dancing to the music should be a priority?

    I know 1 very good on 1 slot style dancer who likes dancing to timba and makes it work. However I suspect he's the exception to the rule. You do know there's no law against dancing casino to the timba tunes and salsa to the salsa tunes?
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  6. Dissonant Harmony

    Dissonant Harmony Rhythm Deputy

    Pleasant or not, this is not salsa. Period. And I'm not even talking about the lack of Afro-Cuban Percussion...

    I wonder why he's an exception.
    I don't see a reason why an On1 dancer can't make Salsa look good on Timba.
  7. simbaaa

    simbaaa Changui

    That was actually a mistake guys, sorry.
    I just shazam'ed my own phone and the third song I meant to post is

    It looks like I had it named wrongly on the phone and I posted a youtube without actually playing :facepalm:
  8. simbaaa

    simbaaa Changui

    To music, yes, but should music define in what way you express it, as long as you do?
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  9. DJ Yuca

    DJ Yuca El Sabroso de Conguero

    On 1 is a timing not a style, but I expect you mean an on 1 slot style dancer. You may well be correct, and I'm sure there's plenty of people who would agree.
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  10. DJ Yuca

    DJ Yuca El Sabroso de Conguero

    You've lost me there I'm afraid.
  11. DJ Yuca

    DJ Yuca El Sabroso de Conguero

    I didn't listen properly but it didn't sound remotely suitable for salsa dancing. Considering how many 1000s (millions?) of good salsa songs there are out there, I can't see the point in using non-salsa for such a purpose.

    I suggest you listen to a good salsa radio station (e.g. Latinastero) and see if you can find some tunes that grab you.
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  12. simbaaa

    simbaaa Changui

    When I was surprised to hear that the music should define what style of salsa you should dance to it, you said that surely dancing to the music should be a priority. I took that as an implication that by dancing linear to cuban timba would be going against the music, and therefore not expressing it, which I disagreed with. Thank you for the radio station, I will give it a go.
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  13. MrR

    MrR Son Montuno

    I have myself dedicated to dancing, yes. To dancing with people to music, not with music to people.
    And in my experience the quality of a dancer does not really relate (negatively at all) to the notion, that there is "real" music. Actually the best social dancers I know all like a broad variation of music and can dance to about anything and having and bringing great fun to it.
    And I hate people who decide that the music is the right one and try to enforce their music on others.

    If I'd live in a huge city, I would not have any problem with elevator music - I'd simply go to another location. Probably some dark hole, stinking from the odor of dancers bathed in their own sweat and filled with bodies moving to the beat of the music. A place where after a few minutes nobody cares how they look and if the move is done correctly and cameras are basically unknown.
    But around here we have people promoting "Salsa all styles" and deliver an elevator night, and that is the only choice to go that weekend. And these people are the teachers or locally powerful promoters. We have people stop dancing, because they love to dance, love the lively salsa music they met in Spain or Italy at holidays but simply do not like the "real Salsa music" from the 70s (Wait, 60s it was what you liked in another thread to be better). And when a small group of "elite dancers" and DJs comments their long faces and destroyed dreams with "You have to learn to like the real salsa music!" my heart breaks every single time. For too many dancing spirits I have seen the solution to the question of the thread being to simply stop and no month passes that not another one I got to like stops showing up.

    Funny, that the next post you critique music for not being the "good" one. Well, the ones who decide what is right and what is wrong in a field, that mostly is about personal taste, usually are the problem, not the solution.

    By what @simbaaa has posted his liking of music is far closer to mine that what most people here post. Although his first set was better. May be I should mention, that I am primarily a Cuban style dancer.
    Song 1 I'd hate but that is a personal bias against extensive solos of any kind. That song is primarily a solo (or duo).
    Song 2 is "normal Salsa music". Unless the DJ has elevator-sound settings I would have no problem dancing to this song with any normal follow and depending on the mood, making her night. Although it could be shortened by 2 minutes.
    Song 3 I actually have a hard time feeling the structure yet. Probably would try something creative, but that would depend on the follow. Or just sit out, because I do not like to have to look up the beat while dancing.
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  14. Dissonant Harmony

    Dissonant Harmony Rhythm Deputy

    When I say - 'Salsa' I refer to linear. :p

    -Most of the dancers in Israel dance Cuban, yet the 'mainstream' style is LA.

    -Almost every LA dancer here started with Cuban first.

    -Clubs that have multiple rooms for different styles exist; other clubs will have separate "Cuban nights" and "LA" (And many of the loyal costumers would attend both types).

    -Mixed parties exist, DJs who "sprinkle" some Timba "LA Songs" on their Cuban nights also exist...

    Your average Salsero here would be familiar with both Salsa and Timba, and also know how to dance both LA and Cuban...So seeing people dancing LA to Timba is not such a rare sight to behold here. (It will be considered "not in place" for costumary reasons, but not musiclity wise).

    *In fact, whenever I see someone spouting something in the line of: "On this song - you sound dance LA" - I can't help thinking now much of a sheep he is.
    Last edited: May 11, 2017
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  15. simbaaa

    simbaaa Changui

    With the second selection I wanted to show that I like "songs", rather than "styles" of music. The other day I found it really fun and very suitable to dance salsa to Ed Sheeran's "Shape of You", but here it sounds like you would be betting your DJ career if you were to play that song on a night.

    I can't accept that if I want to enjoy Timba, I should be going to Cuban nights and dance Cuban. At the same time, I realise that if I was to go to a Cuban night and start dancing crossbody with everyone, I would look like a weirdo. :(
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  16. Dissonant Harmony

    Dissonant Harmony Rhythm Deputy

    I know the guy who made it; he also has a very cool Uptown Funk cover. Search for it.

    They are not really Salsa, though. If a DJ were to play such songs, I would lose some respect to him; educating the crowd is part of his job....

    I feel your pain: I prefer Casino, yet the tunes that really make me feel things are common only in Salsa parties.
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  17. simbaaa

    simbaaa Changui

    It was actually the original song that was played, but I know the song you speak of :)
    By the way, out of curiosity, what about vice versa? Can you make casino work to mambo music or is this something completely incompatible, and would you do it if you were on a crossbody night with someone who you know likes and dances Cuban?
  18. DJ Yuca

    DJ Yuca El Sabroso de Conguero

    In my city I would probably get more 'salsa' gigs if I played that track instead of real salsa music. In fact I know a popular new salsa party where they play tracks like that.

    I wouldn't go that far.
  19. DJ Yuca

    DJ Yuca El Sabroso de Conguero

    I have never yet met a casinero who likes mambo, but some casineros like salsa dura. The 2 definitely work for dance purposes - how well is the subject of another thread.
  20. DJ Yuca

    DJ Yuca El Sabroso de Conguero

    Yet you generalise that all mambo is 'elevator music' and vintage salsa is worthless and no one likes it. And as re. forcing music on others: look at the OP - the guy has come here asking for advice. I gave him advice.


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