Teachers That Don't Teach What They Dance

Discussion in 'Just Dance' started by khabibul35, Oct 1, 2017.

  1. vit

    vit El Sabroso de Conguero

    It was what it said about future in Cuba ...
    As about other places, "old style" BR latin will die and linear salsa, mixed with urban kiz and also sensual bachata will become new BR latin it said ... :p so younger kids will prefer cuban salsa

    Sorry for the bad prediction ... if it helps, in about 10% of cases these predictions are wrong ...
     
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  2. Smejmoon

    Smejmoon El Sabroso de Conguero

    Provided enough stage time all dances turn into brlatin.
     
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  3. terence

    terence Maestro 'Descarga' Cachao

    I can see why, very easy style , NOT trying to impress .Sadly, this style will not appeal to the average club goer.
     
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  4. terence

    terence Maestro 'Descarga' Cachao

    If I know fads ( and I've seen plenty ) both will gradually decline in interest with the general public . There was a guy, fairly local , up to 3 years ago was doing 2 Bachata classes a week, now ?.. Zero...I cannot speak for other UK areas, but some posters may have input.
     
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  5. DJ Yuca

    DJ Yuca El Sabroso de Conguero

    Most/all the 'Cuban salsa' events local to me have been playing kizomba since its arrival on the salsa scene 5 or so years ago. Whereas (I think) most of the slot style events only feature kizomba if they have another room for it. I know at least 2 'Cuban salsa' classes that also teach sensual bachata. I'm not so sure about slot style salsa teachers.

    Sensual bachata is massive right now so it makes financial sense to exploit that. (Personally I regard it as being the height of bad taste; one man's meat is another man's poison.)
     
  6. Sabrosura

    Sabrosura El Sabroso de Conguero

    He's in Russia right now teaching and he's quite popular :) (as is his partner)
     
  7. vit

    vit El Sabroso de Conguero

    I posted her workshop in Russia a few weeks ago in workshop thread

    I also like his style, a nice combination of casino and linear, just that in local venue it doesn't seem to have a chance to become popular, because nobody is teaching something remotely similar so in order to dance similar, one essentially has to dance both cuban and linear and combine ... and Terry inspired version of linear salsa dominating here is totally incompatible with anything cuban anyway ...
     
  8. khabibul35

    khabibul35 Tumbao

    It's not actually easier to dance this way in terms of technique, but it is easier to demonstrate a move since you essentially eliminate a dimension of movement.

    The sad truth is that, regardless of style, bad teachers produce bad dancers. In Cuban style, it just happens one of the most common problems is linearizing a move in order to get students to execute it. Once a move is executed, it's "learned" but since it's learned without technique, it doesn't feel so nice. Common results from this lack of technique are these very common maladies:
    1) a linear style (which looks pretty choppy if you're doing casino)
    2) followers taking a huge backstep/throwing their weight backwards on 1
    3) an inability to lead or follow a step forward on 1 for a vacila, sombrero, or any moves based on these

    I'm sure those who dance slot have their own list of common bad habits. I think the reason casineros complain about the effect that salsa has on casino is due to those 3 problems being common traits of beginner/intermediate slot dancers.
     
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  9. LarsM

    LarsM Tumbao

    are linear dancers really worse at taking huge backsteps in general? Locally, on2/NY (or EU on2 :D ) dancers are way better at taking small steps - but that might just stem from difference in quality of local instructors.
     
  10. elanimal

    elanimal Tumbao

    Yes, only beginners since January of this year. Once in a while a little above that. Just a hobby until I end up moving this summer.
     
  11. Live2dance

    Live2dance Shine Officer

    Vit!?!
     
  12. Live2dance

    Live2dance Shine Officer

    Indeed back to the old discussion. The non-full weight transfer is still taught nowdays. The aim is speed of bwd/fwd movement in BR Int latin.
     
  13. terence

    terence Maestro 'Descarga' Cachao

    Which is what socially I have danced for many moons .( with the right partner )
     
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  14. vit

    vit El Sabroso de Conguero

    Sure it is, because it is written in the book from 1950
    If you go to the church, you will hear things from the bible as well, which is even a few years older :p
     
  15. Live2dance

    Live2dance Shine Officer

    You make it sound like a dinosaur:) I just highlight that it is proper technique still valid today. Like good old Aesop's tales. :D
     
  16. vit

    vit El Sabroso de Conguero

    Well, like in salsa, what they teach isn't always what they dance ...

    There is a BR latin teaching video series Dancing basic with passion, produced by Corky Ballas, featuring Slavik and Karina that are surely known to you ... it has behind the scenes part, where you can see it ... there is a book, then there is what Corky thinks interpretation of it should be, although not always sure, then there is slightly confused Slavik who was obviously used to do some things differently and there is much more confused Karina ...
     
  17. Live2dance

    Live2dance Shine Officer

    :D

    Seriously though, you do what suits best to you! In theory it matches the book!
     
  18. tocatimba

    tocatimba Shine Officer

    Hi Sabs ..... Nice to see you're still around and still going to Cuba.

    Regarding the video ......

    Good: (1) Closed position work is solid ... pure Son and well executed. They are good dancers.

    (2) La mulata esta tremenda. :)

    Bad: When they are not in the closed position, it is linearized crap .... Cuban Salsa for Tourists.
     
  19. tocatimba

    tocatimba Shine Officer

    Words of truth on the Salsa Forums!!! What is the world coming to??? :)
     
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  20. Offbeat

    Offbeat Maestro 'El Diferente' Canales

    Aesthetically speaking I personally find those linear bits out of place. He will be so much better keeping it to Cuban style for that music. Adding linearization seems to take away. I think if you want to make hybrid, you need to bend those slot moves rather than keeping them so straight.
     

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