Making a new thread for the sensual bachata discussion we started in the Cuban traditional vs modern dance. Here is Josue's (the La Epoca guy) video and commentary on the topic. https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1802852953276419 ""Bachata-Sensual" is a repackaged version of Lamba-Zouk "decorated by commercialized Bachata, in the opinion of many dancers. .. Hola!!! Thank you for watching this video. Everyone is my audience - and many dancers have something to say - whether it's in agreement or in disagreement with the teachings presented. Most important - be respectful. I am NOT criticizing any dancers - I have nothing negative to say about anyone. There is no arrogance or condescending tones in my message - and absolutely no insults are intended. Just spreading some education. .. It's true: "Bachata-Sensual" is a repackaged version of Lamba-Zouk decorated by commercialized Bachata. Those who dance "Bachata" often notice that dancers dancing "Bachata-Sensual" are usually not moving their feet much and if they're moving their feet - they're not doing the Bachata steps. So, the question is often asked, "Where is the Bachata in Bachata-Sensual?" .. For example, if a dancer does a fusion of Mambo and Tango - and it's 20% Mambo and 80% Tango - is it appropriate that he titles his style "Mambo?" In my opinion - no. .. If Bachata-Sensual has between 5% to 20% of Bachata steps - then is it appropriate to call it Bachata?" .. If Bachata as it's danced in the DR and in New York can already be sensual as it is - then is it appropriate to call a dance that has only 5-20% of actual Bachata AND is already sensual - by the title "Bachata-Sensual?" .. This is the point of this video. .. To be clear: In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with fusions. Who can measure the "purity" of any dance, anyway? If you dance Kizomba - you may borrow from Semba? If you dance Salsa On2 - you may borrow from Casino or even from Palladium Mambo. If you dance BachaTango - of course you may have already been dancing Bachata or 'Zoukchata' and therefore you're already doing a fusion. Many of the songs under the 'Salsa' umbrella especially nowadays feature jazzists on the horns section - that's a fusion of Afro-Cuban with Jazz. Fusions are totally ok! The issue however is using an appropriate title that shows respect to the roots - this is the point of this video. .. Any dance can be sensual. Mambo by Dancer A can be with the purist of intentions but Mambo by Dancer B can be sensual. Kizomba by Dancer A can be a family-experience since Kizomba is a family-dance - he's dancing with his mother - but then later that night he can go to a festival and that same Dancer A might be dancing with his girl-friend and throw in some sensuality. Bachata can be danced with one's father or brother of course with no sensuality and yet it can be made sensual if the girl dancing it goes dancing with someone of interest. ANY dance can be sensual - every dance becomes what we want it to be. .. "Bachata-Sensual" is an attractive style of dance for dancers - and there are many talented dancers out there. The issue, however, is about using a proper title for what is commercially known as "Bachata-Sensual." .. The same exists in "Salsa" and Kizomba. For example, some dancers have an agenda to tell their students that "Salsa On2" is called "Mambo" which shows no respect for the pioneers of Mambo who danced actual Mambo. ANd what about Kizomba? There are dancers who prefer dancing Kizomba and then there are dancers who prefer to dance Urban-Kiz. The styles are very different - none is "better" than the other - but the "commercialized titles" is an issue all-around. .. Zouk dance is mainly from the Caribbean (Martinique, Guadeloupe, and in Haiti where it's also called Kompa) .. although the Zouk danced in Brazil is also quite alive. The Lambada is mainly from Brazil .. so the fusion of the two is called Lamba-Zouk. This title is appropriate, in my opinion. .. Bachata is from the Dominican Republic - and it's danced in New York and across the US, although here in Europe - it's quite different. .. There are some dancers who call "Bachata-Sensual" by the title "Bachata-Zouk" which again is at least a great attempt, in my opinion, to show respect for the roots of the fusion of "Bachata" with "Lamba-Zouk." .. Another example in the titles is "BachaTango" which attempts to show respect in the title for "Bachata" and "Tango" even though it's mostly Lamba-Zouk fused with commercialized Tango. .. Yes, I realize that the example of "BachaTango" in this video is of a couple who are not known to dance BachaTango BUT since many dancers who dance BachaTango also dance 'Bachata-Sensual' - it means that those figures they used can and have been interpreted in both styles. It's ok to do fusions: Merengue and Salsa can influence each other's figures, Lamba-Zouk and Bachata and 'Zoukchata' or 'Bachazouk' (Bachata-Sensual) are already sharing figures .. Two very sweet ladies from Romania - Ioana and Alaina - contacted me recently which prompted me to finally put this video together. They called me on FaceBook video-chat and said that they were trying to dance Bachata in the Dominican Republic but "we can't dance with them because they're not dancing Bachata" - and I smiled and responded, "Actually - they ARE dancing Bachata - but YOU are not because YOU are dancing what has been taught to you as 'Bachata-Sensual' which is a commercialized, diluted version of 'Bachata'"... - I sent them the videos herein - and they immediately saw the similarities. .. Perpahs Bachazouk would be a good name for what's being called "Bachata-Sensual" because they're using mostly Lamba-Zouk movements to Bachata or Popchata (Bachata with pop songs) music .. so yes .. Lamba-Zouk would be ideal, in my opinion, although I think it would be best to hear from the Lamba-Zouk crowd to hear what their suggestions are. .. By the way .. if you wonder why I replaced the original songs in the videos - the reason is if I put in the original songs from each video - then the audio experience would detract from the visual .. meaning .. I put ALL the dnacers to the same BachaTango to make it easier to see how the figures are so similar. .. Disclaimer #1: The style "Bachata-Sensual" is wonderful - and there are many talented dancers out there. The issue, however, is that perhaps more respect could be shown to the roots of Bachata and the many dancers who dance Bachata by coming up with an appropriate title for what "Bachata-Sensual" is because what is NOT is actual Bachata, in my opinion AND in the opinion of many, many others. .. Disclaimer #2 for Bachata aficionados: Yeeeees I used Korke & Judith in the BachaTango example to prove an extra point: in the original YouTube video - you'll see that the song they used is BachaTango (which is the same audio I put it) - BUT THEY danced a Bachata-Sensual to a BachaTango song .. do you see my point? They are promoted as the creators of "Bachata-Sensual" but yet the song they danced to was a BachaTango. As a Bachata aficionados shared with me even today personally, "Instructors can choose to respect the music or not" which I interpret as "the music may NOT determine their dancing" - which shows a disconnect between music and dancing, for them. I have NOTHING against Korke & Judith personally - and certainly I'm not trying to embarrass them - but it brings up a good point: how are the students supposed to distinguish between Bachata-Sensual from BachaTango from Bachata when the dancers who are known as the creators of the Bachata-Sensual style are not dancing to a Bachata-Sensual song but instead danced and demonstrated for students to a BachaTango??"