Santeria music

Discussion in 'Salsa Music' started by RICKJDLT, Apr 25, 2015.

  1. arsenio123

    arsenio123 Son Montuno

    Both thanks for posting. Yoruba Andabo shows more or less all the Afrocuban religions (Congo, Yoruba/Ewe and Abakua). There are close connections between them and the other Cuban popular genres.

    The thread batàrumba developed during the 1970s integrating Santeria elements, Rumba and Son/Casino dancing. Yvonne Daniel is good source on these developments.
    Rumba: Dance and Social Change in Contemporary Cuba.
    It is an article free on the internet.

    Saludos,
    Arsenio123
     
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  2. RICKJDLT

    RICKJDLT Descarga

    You are correct Timberamayor, that was an "Enactment" of a ceremony. Nevertheless they are the real deal. Not sure if you noticed towards the end of the video, the dancer seemed to get possessed and flirted with it several times earlier. The part about animal sacrifice here in the states I think gets difficult, I am not sure if it is even legal. I do know that my wife was invited to a huge ceremony in Miami last year where there would have been animal sacrifice. But it is a rare event here in the states that at least on my local scene, members have to travel for it. I believe Bobbi's official title in English is "High Priestess", I am sure you are aware that a woman cannot make "Babalao", partly because of tradition and some sexism mixed in. But nowhere near the sexism found in the Catholic Church, where a woman cannot even give a service.
     
  3. RICKJDLT

    RICKJDLT Descarga

    Arsenio, yes I do believe most groups that play Santeria music are more of a show than actual practice. Like "Los Munequitos De Matanzas" that have visited us from Cuba. Thanks for reviving this subject, I was hoping to get more feedback the first time around. Especially because of it's great influence on Salsa, which is what everyone comes in here to discuss. I have to be honest and tell you I am far from an expert on the subject, but do have a lot of Religious curiosity.
     
  4. arsenio123

    arsenio123 Son Montuno

    Dear Rick,

    The influence of Santeria dates back at least until 1950s when Cuban musicians came to the US especially to New York. Bebo Valdes was already integrating Santeria elements into the mambo called Batanga. You have Cuban composers such as Silvestre Mendez who developed Mambo Oriza. Mongo Santamaria produced in the 1950s an LP called Afro Roots with Santeria and other Afrocuban elements.

    A female researcher Rebecca Bodenheimer wrote a PhD dissertation on Cuban Rumba Performance lately. She shows that it is official policy to pay attention to Santeria and also Rumba, because of tourism!

    Saludos,
    Arsenio123
     
  5. timberamayor

    timberamayor Maestro 'El Diferente' Canales

    Yes, I would absolutely not expect them to do sacrifices o stage in the US :) That would bring an end to them ever getting another gig. I think animal sacrifices probably are illegal in the US. The ceremonies in Cuba that involve sacrifices are restricted to the participants. It's not like something done in a church. The two toques de santo I've been to didn't include any animal sacrifice. The initiation ceremony did and actually also another small private ceremony to ask for health for a cancer patient included sacrifice of a chicken. So I guess the point here is that the sacrifices are for certain types of ceremonies in certain situations and not something done all the time.
     
  6. Marcos

    Marcos Son Montuno

    Not that I believe any of it, but this is what I understand the facts to be.

    The prohibition on women Babalaos comes from Olofi himself (the Orisha who provides the power to Babalaos) deemed that only men could be Babalaos. The story goes that he was in a relationship with Yemaya, after much observation she figured out his earlier method of divining and used it to help someone while he was away, which greatly upset him. Olofi got a new divining system from Chango, and prohibited women from being indoctrinated into it. A Babalao is different from a priest in function, and from reading how the Yorubas in Nigeria worship the local deity, the assignment of an Orisha to a person appears to be a creation of the diaspora to deal with people from different regions thrown in together, which is why some deities such as Ochosi are only worshipped by the diaspora after their tribes were depopulated/killed/sold into slavery.

    The animal sacrifices were upheld by the US Supreme Court in the case of the Church of Babalu Aye VS the City of Hialeah, FL under freedom of religion specified in the first amendment of the US constitution. We can infer from that, that even if they don't continue the practice of animal sacrifice in 2017, they were doing it in the US recently.

    Again, not a practicioner, so any practicioner can chime in and clarify any details.
     
  7. arsenio123

    arsenio123 Son Montuno

    The question is what all this got to do with Santeria music. Animal sacrifices are common in many religions (Jews, Moslims). There are special procedures for them which have to be followed! The worship of the deities gave the slaves identity as human beings and spiritual energy to survive slavery!

    Saludos,
    Arsenio123
     
  8. arsenio123

    arsenio123 Son Montuno



    Documental institucional acerca del Conjunto Folcórico Nacional de Cuba y los Sabados de la Rumba, evento que se celebra en la sede de la institución.

    Saludos,
    Arsenio123
     
  9. Ricardo Rodriguez

    Ricardo Rodriguez Son Montuno

    I respect any religion / belief and honestly I don't really pay attention to what the music says. I only care about the rhythm and yes, the tone of lyrics help a lot..
    There is a lot of music that is in (I think) African languages I don't know what they are saying but and I enjoy...
    Some examples, Hopefully I am not confusing the theme.. But here they are
    Celina y Reutilio - many songs..
    Celia Cruz - many songs..
    Oh Mayi - Sonora Ponceña
    Invocacion A Los Espiritus - Corporacion Latina
    David Cedeño - 7 potencias - chango
    Charangano Y Yemaya - Pachapo
    Yemaya y obatala - Dee Jay
    Chango Santero - Brooklyn Sounds
    Canto a Chango - La muralla
    Babalu y Yemaya - Impacto 71
    hijo de obatala - echo park
    Los santos - Bronco

    Among many many others...
    Greetings...
     

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