Recommendations: Songs with 3-2 clave (ideally Cuban musicians)

Discussion in 'Just Dance' started by manzanadulce, Jan 12, 2017.

  1. So based on what you said that means you start the steps differently depending on whether the song starts in 2-3 or 3-2 (Which would be the case if you are playing a cascara for example, maybe dancing doesn't matter which clave side you are on)?
     
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  2. Tomm

    Tomm Sonero

    no I still go forward with my left foot on the first beat as a lead if dancing on1...
    beat 1 refers to the musical one, not the first beat of the 3 side...

    If the song is in 3:2 that also happens to to be the first stroke of the 3 side of the clave.. if its a 2:3 song, there is no clave hit on my left forward

    at least thats how I do it, maybe Iam completly off and noone told me :)

    edit: I just reread your question and I think I did not understand it :)
     
  3. the first beat of the 3 side is still the musical one (depending on how you count). So you start the same step regardless of clave. Interesting. One thing I still know about some of the rumba dancing is they emphasise the bomba note on the 3 side, I was thinking perhaps in salsa dancing (is this what you guys call casino?) perhaps there is a bomba note emphasis.
     
  4. Tomm

    Tomm Sonero

    yeah sorry, dancers count to 8... so in 3:2 its the 1 and in 2:3 its the 5.....
     
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  5. Offbeat

    Offbeat Maestro 'El Diferente' Canales

    It is really about where does the phrasing start. Start of phrasing is important to recognize (or mark), if as a dancer you want to reflect the music you are dancing to. The conventions of salsa dancing are such that, if you fail to recognize start of phrase and instead do something in the middle of the phrase (that was supposed to be done at the start of the phrase), then it would look like you don't know what you are doing to other dancers.

    While salsa music often has implicit or explicit clave rhythm. But the dance steps follow/emphasize the tumbao rhythm (at least for the linear./slot style salsa).
     
  6. DJ Yuca

    DJ Yuca El Sabroso de Conguero

    La Máxima 79 - Joseito
     
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  7. LarsM

    LarsM Tumbao

    ...is a nice song? :D

    I'll try again: is an example of what? :)
     
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  8. DJ Yuca

    DJ Yuca El Sabroso de Conguero

    A song using 3-2 clave from start to finish. Have you forgotten the OP?
     
  9. LarsM

    LarsM Tumbao

    Evidently!
     
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  10. manzanadulce

    manzanadulce Sonero

    Salsa as it's typically discussed in this forum is either on1 or on2 and involves forward and backward linear travel with break steps forward and backward, unlike Cuban casino which travels circularly with no back breaks.

    So to answer your question, @disfrazadas, people are responding to you with the linear salsa in mind and not casino. Either way, this 3-2 vs. 2-3 phenomenon applies in casino too and would result in one partner being on the wrong foot if both were not following the clave and instead following the melodic "1".
     
  11. manzanadulce

    manzanadulce Sonero

    It matters which clave side because typically the dance would begin on a particular foot on the 3 side of the clave with the clave slap on 1. They could also begin on the 2 side of the clave in the opposite foot but basically this is based on the understanding that the first slap of the clave is the "1". If clave is arranged in 2-3 then most trained dancers will swap the "5" count with the "1" and start on the same side. The problem arises when dancing with someone who doesn't recognize 2-3 clave and dances to 3-2 clave irrespective of the melodic counts (which would essentially change between 1 and 5 depending on clave direction if you pay attention to that and honor those clave changes in the dance). But the whole point of this thread is that most Cubans don't, lol.
     

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