Is Kizomba just dry humping?

Discussion in 'Salser@s Anonymous' started by nowhiteshoes, Jun 15, 2013.

  1. Marcos

    Marcos Son Montuno

    Thank you.

    I actually do mix NY and Casino, and learned to mix them from one excellent Cuban instructor who as young as 18 would go teach even at 21+ bars. The issue that we that do that have is that even though we can adapt Casino turns and motions such that they can be fully followed within the conventions of slot dancing the fact that we are breaking the conventions for how the lead would move in NY/LA throws a lot of followers off. Then I explain and they get the "ahhh" moment, which on high level followers can be disappointing since I did everything to cater to them.

    Getting back to Kizomba, what I've heard sounds very similar to romantic reggaeton, so much so that I could imagine a couple dancing kizomba to Maluma, Plan B, or even some of Don Omar's slower more romantic stuff. I have a little bit of Lusophone music in my music collection and none of it sounds like that. I do admit I'm far more into acoustic instruments and electronic versions of them than fully electronic sounds.
     
  2. vit

    vit El Sabroso de Conguero

    Yeah. Almost all "kizomberos" in my venue try dancing that way, using body waves. Actually looks very funny, because their body action goes directly against action that results from stepping, and over that, they try adding some fancy footwork to compensate and be "in style". And as additional layer, they add some bouncing in upward direction that existed in social ballroom here before kizomba. So everything is turned upside down compared to kizomba but nobody seems to be noticing it. Nor were foreign teachers able to teach or correct them ... even Petchu or Kwenda ... There is a small group of people dancing something traditional kizomba alike, but unfortunately only halfway ... just like people dancing cuban salsa here that looks half cuban ...

    I actually have a feeling that misunderstanding played big role here, because many of them started learning some kind of kizomba before urban kiz became popular and they danced that way from the begining

    Actual body movement in kizomba seems to be just a normal reaction of relaxed body to weight transfer from foot to foot. It's not reverse wave either. It 's actually quite similar to "bounce action" in ballroom samba (taking off all BR styling) and similar thing is used to some extent in pachanga, dominican bachata and even in salsa by part of dancers (mostly cuban or NY etc - rarely happens in Europe where urban salsa with stiff hips is also dominating :p). Similar misunderstandings already happened in the past - bounce action in BR samba was described wrong way in the books for decades and corrected in some books only a few years ago ... because someone got it wrong or it got "lost in translation" observing group of black people trying to dance polka in Brazil back in 20s ... (called Maxixe at that time) and eventually named it Samba ... restyled further in Paris and London ... history repeats itself ...
     
  3. vit

    vit El Sabroso de Conguero

    Urban kiz or whatever example. It's interesting that many videos of this genre look pretty much the same, showing girl's back most of the time ... actually more like a kind of powerpoint presentation of her poses from the back than the video of dancing ...
    Not sure what's the point of the pose where her one left (at the end of the clip) is lifted though ...

     
  4. Marisha

    Marisha Tumbao

    You should learn kiz;) You will like it. Give it a try...
     
  5. Marisha

    Marisha Tumbao

    I like the move from 0.33...till 0.39-40...:rolleyes::)
     
  6. vit

    vit El Sabroso de Conguero

    I was on a few classes a few years ago, but didn't like it ... I like dancing with dancers, not with statues ...
     
  7. Marisha

    Marisha Tumbao

    If you took only a few classes, it is not enough. I think a lot of beginner followers look like statues first period of time. It does not matter what do you dance...I was afraid to breathe when I started to dance salsa... I looked like a tree:)
     
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  8. Winston

    Winston Descarga

    But going back to the original topic.
    Urban kiz is definitely not dry humping. Too little tarracha moves going on. And more pose, walk, pose, walk, pose.

    And yes, it all looks the same. Even the lady and her clothing. Big butt with tight jeans. It's the uniform of kizomba.
     
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  9. Winston

    Winston Descarga


    So true. Not you, but in general.
    That's why I still keep dancing with beginners to keep me grounded and humble.
     
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  10. Marisha

    Marisha Tumbao

    I like dresses and I know a lot of ladies who also prefer dresses. So, it is not the uniform of kizomba.:)
     
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  11. vit

    vit El Sabroso de Conguero

    No, I'm not talking about that. Of course many beginners have various beginner problems, but in this type of dancing, it is intentional look/feel like a statue for the follower. Just that in this clip, girl has reasonably good balance (although far from great), while many kiz girls are far from that ... and dancing with unstable statue is especially not fun ...

    Tarraxinha way more interesting ...
     
  12. Marisha

    Marisha Tumbao

    Now I am beginner kizomba dancer, and I tell you that it is very important for us to dance not only with beginner guys, (it is important also) but with experienced dancers. Several dances with experienced dancer make a huge difference. I feel it. So thank you:) It is nice.
     
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  13. vit

    vit El Sabroso de Conguero

    It's not. It's the uniform of most urban kiz clips :)
     
  14. vit

    vit El Sabroso de Conguero

    Sure it is. The same for us leaders. It gives you a feeling that you are a much better dancer than you really are ... :D
     
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  15. Marisha

    Marisha Tumbao

    :eek::D oops...
     
  16. vit

    vit El Sabroso de Conguero

    With girls that can do it I mean ... in my venue that number recently decreased to only a few ... french way of doing it doesn't count as those are just bodywaves ...
     
  17. Marisha

    Marisha Tumbao

    How long have you been dancing kizomba? And why did you start to learn it?
     
  18. Marisha

    Marisha Tumbao

    So, post a video with real Tarraxinha:) I want to see it.
     
  19. Winston

    Winston Descarga

    I don't remember when I started exactly. Maybe 4 years ago.

    Just because I didn't always want to wait two kizomba songs out for the next salsa or bachata (I live in a small scene). Plus a few of the ladies who started with kizomba asked me to join them.

    As I originally also danced zouk before I knew kizomba existed, I already liked the kizomba music of that time when it was danced more on ghetto zouk music with dirtier beats from Cape Verde, etc.

    But I like to dance salsa much more than kizomba and I'm also a far better salsa dancer than a kizomba dancer. But if you're a beginner you can feel that I know how to lead a kizomba dance.
     
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  20. Winston

    Winston Descarga

    Sometimes there were periods where the music was good and there were one or two ladies with which I really had a clic.,
    Than kizomba is a dance I can really enjoy. And that are also the periods I grew the most.
     
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