Help! Music suggestions

Discussion in 'Salsa Music' started by timbanorway, Mar 4, 2011.

  1. timbanorway

    timbanorway Changui

    I need advices to building repertoir for my band. I have plenty of insight in timba but need some great tunes in other genres as well, that rock the dancefloor:

    *salsa for LA/NY-dancers (salsa from P.R, Colombia, US)
    *merengue
    *cumbia
    *reggeaton/cubaton
    *son
    *bolero
    *latino pop/hits

    I am grateful for all good suggestions!
     
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  2. petteri

    petteri Descarga

    Here is some songs

    Lloraras
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC7AQ9HqmMI

    El Preso
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5YmrtnLESE

    Che che che
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnUDHcfQuGg

    Barranquillero Arrebatao
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg9K9nlN29g

    Soy Latino
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-2zCrKCkoU

    Trucutu
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9JoYkhz0sY
     
  3. ColdSalsero

    ColdSalsero Shine Officer

    The above songs are okay for LA and NY-style dancers, except for Che Che Cole. DON'T EVER play that for LA and NY style dancers, they will HATE you for it! It doesn't have the tumbao pattern in the congas, which is what those dancers need for dancing (NY style more so than LA, but it matters for both regardless).

    As a general rule, when playing music for LA and NY-style salsa dancers, stay away from anything and everything that doesn't have the tumbao pattern in the congas, which includes cumbia, bomba y plena, and anything with a sort of carnival rhythm to it.

    I promise you that you will NOT rock the dance floor with that kind of music, you will keep it mostly--if not totally--empty!

    ALSO, if you want some ideas for what LA and NY style dancers like, I recommend that you check out the Name That Tune section of the forum. A lot of the songs there are danceable, catchy tunes for LA and NY style dancers...but not all of them, so be careful, especially of songs from performances, which are often too fast to dance to.

    As a general rule, for a salsa song, anything that's 110 beats/minute and above is too fast for an LA/NY style dancer to dance to.

    ANOTHER WARNING, please please please do not play songs that are longer than 5 minutes 30 seconds. Even that's a little on the unusually long side for a lot of dancers...5 minutes max is even safer.
     
  4. ColdSalsero

    ColdSalsero Shine Officer

    Since you are looking for tunes for LA/NY-style dancers, you might as well check out my YouTube videos from the Salsa y Control (SYC) and Fuego y Candela socials in Boston, see the link in my signature.
     
  5. petteri

    petteri Descarga

    I do not really get this. What do you mean? I find Che Che Cole really easy to dance ET2. Slow and easy to find rhythm.

    What do you think of Ran Kan Kan? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zFgtqK39Zg
     
  6. timbanorway

    timbanorway Changui

    Can you name some great tunes that fits both casino - and cross body-dancers? I dance primarly casino now but have danced LA earlier.
    Even though I prefer dancing to timba, I think it works well also to dance to f.ex. Sin tu Carino (Oscar d Leon) and la Comay (Sonora Carusselles). The mentioned Baranquillero works also well. Tunes by fe.x. La Excelencia not.
    In other words: I think it is easier for casino dancers to dance to some cross-body salsa music than opposite. Agree?

    Any other suggestions of tunes that match any dance styles?
     
  7. ColdSalsero

    ColdSalsero Shine Officer

    What I mean is, the rhythm isn't really salsa, it's more like bomba or something else carnival-like. It doesn't have those sharp slaps on 2 and 3, and those deep open tones on 4 and 4.5, the kind that are in the tumbao pattern played on the congas, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAo9DyqvP1w.

    I'd have a really hard time dancing On2 to something without that tumbao pattern marking out the 2 strongly and clearly, and besides, the tumbao is what makes salsa music salsa, gives it that salsa feel, and makes it different from other latin rhythms like cumbia or bomba y plena or rumba.

    But if you find it easy to dance NY style to it, then more power to you!

    I like Ran Kan Kan, though it's a little old school. It also has that tumbao pattern in the congas, so it is indeed salsa ;)
     
  8. ColdSalsero

    ColdSalsero Shine Officer

    I'm not a casino style dancer, I dance LA and NY style, so I don't really know from personal experience what's good for casino, though I've been told that timba is really good for casino.

    Personally, I don't like timba, I like mostly salsa dura from the 60s and 70s, plus some mambo classics, like Hong Kong Mambo by Tito Puente.

    If your goal is to try to play songs that both LA/NY and casino style dancers will enjoy, it might be impossible to satisfy both at once, you might just have to alternate between the two. But I don't have much experience with the casino scene, so I don't know for sure.

    Please, do not play anything by Sonora Carusselles. I personally don't like them because I think they sound cheesy, too carnival-like, and they are way over-played by low-quality DJs who don't know what hardcore dancers like. But that's just me as an LA/NY-style dancer talking, maybe casino people like Carusselles, I don't know.

    For casino dancers to dance cross-body salsa music, I don't know, as I've said before, I don't dance casino. But as a cross-body dancer, I will say that I don't really enjoy dancing to timba.

    So, all that being said, I'll just toss out some songs that I do like, and maybe some other people can chime in with their own. My stuff is mostly salsa dura though, especially from the US...does your band play that kind of style?

    Javier Vazquez
    • "La China De Mi Barrio"
    • "Se Formo La Rubantela"
    • "Tu No Me Has Visto Miguel"
    Joey Pastrana
    • "Rumbon Melon"
    Ismael Rivera
    • "Me Tienes Loco"
    Roberto Roena
    • "Avisale a Mi Contrario"

    That's just a very very small sample of the style of salsa that I like to dance to.

    For some old school classics, here's some stuff from Tito Puente that I like:
    • "Nina y Senora"
    • "Mambo Gozon"
    • "Hong Kong Mambo"

    Here's some other stuff that's sort of more old-school cuban (so I'm told, I'm not a music expert) that I've heard played at some socials I've been to:
    • "Mi Guaguanco" by Frank Bambara
    • "Las Tres Marias" by Arsenio Rodriguez. This song is ridiculously awesome, it sounds like pure joy!

    I hope that helps!
     
  9. ColdSalsero

    ColdSalsero Shine Officer

    Oh, I've got another tune for you, it's "Vamonos Pa' Senegal" by Orquesta Tipica Ideal. The instruments are fun to play with.
     
  10. timbanorway

    timbanorway Changui


    Thanks a lot for many good suggestions in all above posts! :)

    As a professional musician and (amateur) salsa dancer I must say that I really enjoy strong opinions on salsa and salsa music. That people are concerned about which music that fit certain style of dancing.

    Personally, as a musician, I really love the complexity and groove of timba music, and I started dancing casino much because of my love for timba.


    IT might be a good idea to separate clearly between timba and salsa dura. We play both kinds, yes.


    Any other suggestions on the other kinds of music? (Cubaton, merengue etc.) Not my favourite music, but we need some great tunes.

    And, please notfy me if you know some band/arrangers we can buy already written transcriptions from. It would be very practical for us.
     
  11. Smejmoon

    Smejmoon El Sabroso de Conguero

    To make crossover between salsa and something casino dancers like, Colombian cheese is the way to go. Also somehow Africando works. I can't explain why, but it does. These are just observations on when mixed crouds get up to dance.

    The more tasty approach for me would be to base music on son. Son blends into salsa and into most cuban music as well.
     
  12. petteri

    petteri Descarga

    If your band favors cuban music, perhaps you could also add some cuban salsa which also suits to crossbody dancers.

    For Example

    Polo Montañez - Monton de Estrellas
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pq95cpFz0s

    Calle Real - Ya Lo Se
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbmbHvgyWZ8

    MANOLITO SIMONET y su TRABUCO - La Habana Me Llama
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r2SRLojlbE
     
  13. timberamayor

    timberamayor Maestro 'El Diferente' Canales

    Both of the first two songs are sones as is most of the stuff by Africando which is why it should work with everyone as Smejmoon pointed out. Manolito has a fairly sonish style which is probably why so many covers have been recorded of his songs outside Cuba in recent years. Also Adalberto Álvarez of course who has also been covered tons of times by PR/NY groups should offer good middle of the road songs that should work for and be familiar to both audiences.
     
  14. timberamayor

    timberamayor Maestro 'El Diferente' Canales

    Some sort of timba reggaeton fusions

    Un Loco con una moto with Pupy is supposed to be a fusion with reggaeton
    youtube.com/watch?v=f_hC0aJOjZY

    As much as I prefer the old ch these guys are always fun in concert. You can't help but have a good time.
    youtube.com/watch?v=a5dyVN0Opf0

    For Cubaton

    Gente D'Zona big hits
    El Animal
    youtube.com/watch?v=w_277XYmeZ0

    Tremenda pena (starts with a bit from Adalberto Álvarez
    youtube.com/watch?v=qznc8i0VOrw

    Yo te enseñé
    youtube.com/watch?v=_4PCjowG0cA

    Le gustan los artistas
    youtube.com/watch?v=AKslozSy9rE

    La Palestina
    youtube.com/watch?v=vvKdI6tx05w

    Yulien Oviedo (ex timbalero of CH and calixtos son)
    youtube.com/watch?v=h0vdyB1G-bU

    Yulien with Los salvajes (also called los 4)
    youtube.com/watch?v=cml4WiPh6eg

    More Salvajes they are quite big too
    youtube.com/watch?v=DCeAtM66Kvk

    El micha is also very popular.

    Insurrecto
    Baby Lores
     
  15. ColdSalsero

    ColdSalsero Shine Officer

    Hey, I've got another song for you that I was dancing to recently, "Mambo Mongo" by Mongo Santamaria:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5ifCFl_Jrk

    The regular song is 6 minutes though, which most dancers won't like dancing to for so long (especially beginners), so try to shorten it to 5 minutes or less if you can.
     
  16. timbanorway

    timbanorway Changui


    Excactly. Thats the problem with some salsabands: the singers are talking with the audiences forever during a song and there is a one-chord vamp for like 10 minutes.
     

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