Differences between Cuban Salsa and Casino on the dance floor

Discussion in 'Just Dance' started by TomSchueler, Jan 28, 2017.

  1. azzey

    azzey El Sabroso de Conguero

    Pretty good, although the hand leads/"preps" for the turns at 2:15, 2:17 and 2:20 are funnily enough executed in the way that a cross-body dancer would execute them.
     
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  2. azzey

    azzey El Sabroso de Conguero

    Disagree. You misread the blog. When he says "Salsa" he refers to Puerto Rican based dances and music, as defined by Izzy Sanabria. Salsa was coined as a marketing term in the 70's to cover a wide variety of rhythms featured in Fania's catalogue.

    http://www.salsamagazine.com/index.php?page=newpage4



    The blog author directly refers to NY/LA style Salsa, which are commonly grouped under the umbrella of cross-body salsa:

    Casino is choreographically different than Salsa (NY/LA/PR salsa), but not choreographically different than Cuban Salsa - if you want to call it that (if executed correctly). LOL. Does that help?

    Read some of my back posts, where I often use lots of videos as illustration.
    Any particular aspects you want videos for?
     
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  3. azzey

    azzey El Sabroso de Conguero

    "Differences between Cuban Salsa and Casino on the dance floor"

    To put it another, more simplistic way, Cuban Salsa is the marketing term for Casino. Not all Cubans have adopted the term, and so continues the argument. Is it Son or is it Salsa.

    I know Cubans who use the term Cuban Salsa for their authentic Havana style Casino classes.

    Back to videos..
     
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  4. TomSchueler

    TomSchueler Changui

    Thanks everyone so far! @azzey Mostly like @vit said, I would love to see comparing Miami style salsa dances with Cuban casino ones. What I would be particularly interested in is the the encircling of the follower and the rotations in in comparison to Miami style, so basically the "circle" vs. "quadrangle" (or what people like to call this thing in between circular and linerar). I do not find the Salsa Lovers videos on yt helpful because it all happens in a kind of artificial setting and you do not see people dancing in a club. For example a video in a club with people dancing setenta in both dances/styles would be very appreciated! P.S. Will checkout your posts, @azzey.
     
  5. azzey

    azzey El Sabroso de Conguero

    Is there a difference between Style and Styling?

    Lets play a game. Which of the styling elements the follower is using here do not fit or match Casino?



    So my question, is she dancing Casino/Cuban Salsa?
     
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  6. azzey

    azzey El Sabroso de Conguero

    An alternative example for comparison (because a comparison with Cubans dancing may not be fair):

     
  7. vit

    vit El Sabroso de Conguero

    It's actually not artificial setting, just that it is rueda for 2 or 3 couples, so some things in the video are adjusted for smaller rueda. If danced in the club, it's the same, just that there usually more couples (or much more) in rueda and the next couple is along the circle and not on the next edge of the square, so some moves have more and some less rotation (depending in which direction it turns). If danced outside rueda, you may adjust amount of the turns as you wish, however following the general principles of the dance (follower moving in circles and arches with generally forward moving intention)
     
  8. azzey

    azzey El Sabroso de Conguero

    Are they dancing Cuban Casino or Miami Casino?



    p.s. Really enjoy Erick's dancing.
     
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  9. vit

    vit El Sabroso de Conguero

    Combined demo of casino in the couple and continuing with rueda

     
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  10. azzey

    azzey El Sabroso de Conguero

  11. vit

    vit El Sabroso de Conguero

    Emmmm ... hard for me to see similarities between this miami style and baila habana miami style ... o_O
     
  12. TomSchueler

    TomSchueler Changui

    @vit What I was trying to say with "artificial" settting was that I would like to see couples dancing non-choreographed on the dancefloor (and also not explaining the moves). Not so much interested in rueda dancing. Your video is great, but how can I spot the differences between both styles in that one?

    @azzey You chose nice examples, though to my beginner's eye it is not that easy to see. The "Sexy Salsa Smooth" video is one of my absolute favorites! Would guess he dances Cuban casino, but for example from 00:00:02-00:00:06 there is no circular movement of him at all. I hope you will provide us with solutions to that guessing game as well :).
     
  13. vit

    vit El Sabroso de Conguero

    My point was that it was the same way of dancing as a couple and in rueda
     
  14. azzey

    azzey El Sabroso de Conguero

    Cuban or Miami style?

    Isn't the Setenta at 00:21 the same steps you were complaining about earlier..?

     
  15. DC1

    DC1 Changui

    It seems like the whole back step issue is really causing confusion. It's not the visual movement that's important, it's the mechanical. For example, you can place you foot behind you without shifting your weight onto it. Think about the mechanics of pushing a car, or a sprinter in the blocks about to launch forward. Not loading your body weight over the back leg - this is what the Cubans mean by 'don't step back'. So it's about where your weight transference is, not where you physically place the foot. If your weight rolls back, it's a back step and it's not Casino.
     
  16. vit

    vit El Sabroso de Conguero

    Exactly. We were actually discussing this difference 2 or 3 years ago
     
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  17. DC1

    DC1 Changui

    Still seems to be a lot of confusion out there!
     
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  18. timberamayor

    timberamayor Maestro 'Guaguanco' Rodríguez

    Erick himself says he dances a mix of casino with linear.
     
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  19. timberamayor

    timberamayor Maestro 'Guaguanco' Rodríguez

    In all the years I took lessons from Cubans, never once do I recall anyone saying "don't step back". I do recall them saying to always move in a circular pattern.
     
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  20. azzey

    azzey El Sabroso de Conguero

    Shh you. Giving the game away. :p
     
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