Differences between Cuban Salsa and Casino on the dance floor

Discussion in 'Just Dance' started by TomSchueler, Jan 28, 2017.

  1. terence

    terence Maestro 'Descarga' Cachao

    Son travels Fwd and Back, in a circular arc. But, no Fwd breaks in the basic .It also travels Fwd in an arc from a Dile que no. There are numerous vids showing this..
     
  2. manzanadulce

    manzanadulce Son Montuno

    Yes. In case I was not clear, son travels both forward and backward. It's quite easy to find numerous examples in any video. Also you're right, there are no forward breaks. These points can help one distinguish between son and casino.
     
  3. Live2dance

    Live2dance Shine Officer

    They are all incarnations of a similar approach.
    Mcc / casino people say aim to move fwd
    Intern BR latin say aim to have weight fwd even when stepping bwd
    Linear salsa ladies should cross (move fwd) when the door is open

    The similarity between the first two is clear, and one technical reason for it is that by pushing fwd you achieve a better connection between the partners. For the linear salsa I will not comment further.
     
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  4. Offbeat

    Offbeat El Sabroso de Conguero

    No we didn't. You tried to preach that, if I recall. BR if anything is not precursor to any of the dance forms but rather opposite. It took something that existed, codified it and may I also add bastardized it.

    Let me ask you. Do you know West coast swing? How do you lead a left side pass in it?

    For your information - I don't physically lead the lady's body in any dance form. I don't pull her, I don't push her, I don't physically lift her, or carry her, or anything to suggest I physically do anything with her body :D
     
  5. Offbeat

    Offbeat El Sabroso de Conguero

    Reuda doesn't travel backwards? I am sure I have seen quite a few Ruedas where there are backsteps or backward travel.
     
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  6. Offbeat

    Offbeat El Sabroso de Conguero

    That's good :) Please keep it that way!
     
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  7. Live2dance

    Live2dance Shine Officer

    No, I believe that others well accepted the so called "tarting" as was mentioned in the other locked thread between US salsa and BR. I will not get back into this discussion. The connection to hustle, the use of CBL (by the Amer. style BR book), the linearity, etc etc the list is long enough.

    As for your leading, if you do not physically lead her what on earth are you doing on the dance floor with her? Watch her? Open the way for her? Oh yes, use her momentum, right? But hold on a second, you said no physical leading, not even a finger then!!! So you use a scarf or something or you just turn your hand in the air and she spins 100 times in a minute. Oh dear oh dear! :facepalm:
     
  8. manzanadulce

    manzanadulce Son Montuno

    No, because people are constantly changing partners in ruedas so the travel is forward. Can you post a video of a rueda you've seen traveling backwards? I've never seen one. Unless you are referring to the pattern known as "para ti y para mi" in which the partners do a figure that looks a lot like the salsa on 2 basic. But it doesn't travel backwards. It does not, however, travel forward either. It pretty much is done in place. Post a video with time stamp and I'll let you know! :)
     
  9. vit

    vit Clave Commander

    That's fine. You are not using physical lead (or not much/rarely at least), but other types of lead (visual, shaping, follower's autopilot etc). Matter of preference of you and your followers
    But physical lead exists in dancing and feels very nice if executed properly
    Don't be so critical to the ballroom. There are other BR guys here ;)
     
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  10. vit

    vit Clave Commander

    Check the beginning of the clip

     
  11. Live2dance

    Live2dance Shine Officer

    To be honest, I have yet to see a youtube video of son where there is no fwd break. Should I challenge what others say as traditional style or should we accept that there will always be some improvisational aspects? I believe the second!

    Also in the rueda, I never recall the lady moving alone with bwd steps to the previous guy. The only time she would move with bwd steps around the circle is in closed hold.
     
  12. Peason

    Peason Son

    I know how to make connection with a partner. But I fail to see how you would call that 'moving forward'.
    In argentinian tango the follow moves backwards (with some exeptions).
    Yet they can maintain connection with the lead that is in front of them.
     
  13. vit

    vit Clave Commander

    Conclusion from above is quite straightforward: arg. tango and BR latin are closer to casino than linear salsa :p:troll:
     
  14. Live2dance

    Live2dance Shine Officer

    In BR latin (int) you are taught to maintain weight fwd so the two partners are like two long pieces of wood which touch each other at the top and they are l balanced. If you like there is constant but soft pressure applied between the two.

    I felt that pressure also with some casino ladies that I danced with that kept pushing fwd so they applied the same pressure but without necessary having the same posture as BR.

    In fact this is a way to immediately spot bad BR dancers, they do not have weight fwd nor do they try to push fwd to create connection with their partner so the whole dance becomes disconnected with very poor physical lead. What does that remind me off?!?! :D
     
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  15. vit

    vit Clave Commander

    Did you actually dance that way? We used both pressure (push) and tension (pull), depending on the move (or where in the move)
     
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  16. Live2dance

    Live2dance Shine Officer

    Still do! Even when tension is built the body position can be fwd. Think of the very basic in rumba. On the count of 2 lead breaks fwd but maintains body position fwd. The lady steps back but does not move her back behind the back stepping foot. So her posture is still fwd looking too. The tension is built because of the distance and the hold (of hopefully flexed arms). If both take their postures bwd then coming back together after the count of 2 will become a more abrupt move (slingshot style).
     
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  17. vit

    vit Clave Commander

    Well, some do (although not on a basic level)... and various teachers even in BR teach things differently ... so if you were taught that way, it doesn't mean everyone was ... like not everyone was taught casino MCC way or salsa Sanchez way .....
    There is never one correct way, there is usually only a way one thinks it is correct ...
     
  18. manzanadulce

    manzanadulce Son Montuno

    This video is a choreography. Yeah i have seen this kind of "backwards" i.e. Counter clockwise traveling as well but its not what i was thinking of when i made the comment.

    In a improvised rueda I've never seen it.
     
  19. Live2dance

    Live2dance Shine Officer

    If you are beginner, ok; if you are intermediate, hmm perhaps; if you are advanced...heh...with all respect, I would change teacher.

    On a social level ok. In a performance level there are some principles that you cannot escape from if you want performance results.
     
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  20. vit

    vit Clave Commander

     
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