Cuban Salsa: Detailled visual breakdown of basic steps and Dil Que No?

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  1. azzey

    azzey El Sabroso de Conguero

    Yanke Revilla presents a modern approach to Casino as he originally learned from his brother in Cuba then developed his own distinctive style. It's still essentially Cuban Casino though, much more so than Miami style.



    Another great dancer to check out is Maykel Fonts. Here he is doing the basic step, with some Rumba and Folkloric dancing mixed in:



     
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  2. azzey

    azzey El Sabroso de Conguero

    I absolutely would NOT recommend those videos, if you want to learn Cuban Casino.
     
  3. azzey

    azzey El Sabroso de Conguero

    A good instructor will tell you to start in closed hold like in Son, then if there is an intro to the song (assuming you're actually listening to Cuban Timba here) then use some simple basics like in the video below. Once the next section of the song begins (go over to the music section to learn about Salsa Phrases and how Salsa/Timba music is structured) then open up into more elaborate moves. As the song builds energy then match it with your moves.
    Try to connect with the music, feel what it wants you to do (hard when you have no experience, but still more useful than most classes on the subject of musicality). If it's Timba there may come a section of the music where Rumba is more appropriate. The best way to learn this is from watching musical dancers in the style you want to learn. Warning most good dancers are not musical. I gave you some videos of dancers who are.

    As with any story, the end of the music is usually announced by the musicians and gives you some time to close out and finish your dance story as well. Assuming you were telling one.

     
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  4. azzey

    azzey El Sabroso de Conguero

    Cross in-front in your forward steps and cross behind when you do your back basic step. Good cross-body dancers also do this, so it's not unique to Casino, but Casino requires it.

    Every 2nd or 3rd move usually. e.g. Enchufe, Exhibela, Dile Que No, Coca Cola, Dile Que No.
    Or when you or she gets bored of doing Exhibela over and over for a joke. ;) Dancing is supposed to be fun.
    Most dances are combinations of Dile Que No followed by another move then Dile Que No and on..
    Just as cross-body style is often choreographed using cross-body lead, turn, turn, cross-body lead, turn, cross-body lead and so on..

    There is no rule about how many times you should do this.
    e.g. 2:04 Dile Que No repeated 3 times, then Camina twice at 1:14 which also uses the same footwork as Dile Que No.



    While Casino has a lot of freedom when danced socially, there are still correct positions to be in before and after a move. It's not a question of where in the room to end up, that's your choice using the moves available, but that she should be on your right shoulder at the end of most moves.

    Disagree. All good instructors follow a system and know where you should end up. The method of teaching that system varies and most Cubans do it holistically by the do-what-I-do method, or small tips here and there. You have only done a few classes and you're already an expert on all the Cuban teaching systems. I find that hard to believe. Most instructors do not teach via the internet, as their client base comes from having to attend class for the basics. It is not in their interest to give away all the basic material via the internet, otherwise we would see a lot more of it.
     
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  5. azzey

    azzey El Sabroso de Conguero

    Just like learning languages you need time to experiment and speak the language with native speakers. The variations you normally learn through doing the course and then combine them yourself on the dance floor. To find unusual variations you can watch the best Cuban dancers on youtube, however bear in mind that all moves are built from basics. If you don't know the fundamentals well you won't have a hope of executing a more complicated (complicado) variation. Which all comes back to teaching and practice of the basics until you are more than comfortable putting them together.
     
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  6. azzey

    azzey El Sabroso de Conguero

    That should say 1:04, not 2:04.
     
  7. manzanadulce

    manzanadulce Sonero

    These are all fusions. There is some casino. But Cuban empirical dancers don't dance like this. If you're interested in learning to dance like untrained cubans and with untrained Cubans, none of those videos will help you that much.
     
  8. manzanadulce

    manzanadulce Sonero

    There are no rules for how often you should do dile que no. Some people do look at it as a re-set of sorts, similar to para ti y para mi It's really whatever you feel like doing. For example, a pattern my partner leads often would be like:

    Son basic 4x
    Entrada larga
    Casino básico 2-4x
    Exhibela 1-2x
    Rodeo inverso into closed position
    Adios inverso 1-2 bars
    Dile que no

    Of course how often you do it depends on how many other patterns you know. Most Cubans do some combination of dile que no, exhibela, enchufa, rodeo, adiós, and setentas. If you know other, more complex patterns you can loop them together without having to go back into dile que no. It's really up to you.
     
  9. khabibul35

    khabibul35 Tumbao

    I agree with manzanadulce, Fonts and Yanek are great dancers but are about 3 to 4 standard deviations away from the mean. They should not serve as a model for someone who wants to learn Casino, but are great to look for styling ideas in order to try to separate oneself different from the pack.
     
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